Stop Waiting to Feel Ready to Quit Drinking / EP 136

What if you're never going to feel completely ready to quit drinking?

You keep waiting...

After vacation.
After the wedding.
When work calms down.
Next Monday.

But here's the twist:

Motivation doesn't create action. Action creates motivation.

In this episode, we're sharing 3 ways to finally get fired up without rock bottom, more willpower, or beating yourself up:

• Make one decision from self-love.
• Borrow hope until you have your own.
• Replace pressure with curiosity.

And Ruby shares the fascinating bamboo story that may completely change how you see all those times you thought you “failed.”

Because maybe you haven't been failing at all... maybe you've been growing roots.

If you've been waiting for some magical moment when you'll finally feel ready to change your drinking... this is your "get lit" episode.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

What if the life you've been dreaming about isn't waiting for you to feel motivated? What if it's waiting for you to make one decision? Today we're giving the word lit a whole new meaning. Instead of talking about feeling lit alcohol free, we're talking about getting fired up or getting lit to start an alcohol-free journey. Because here's the truth: most people aren't waiting to quit drinking, they're waiting to feel ready. And that's exactly what keeps them stuck.

SPEAKER_01 0:28

Welcome to Sober and Lit, the podcast for women who want to get sober, stay sober, and live a life that's way more lit than it ever was with wine.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

We're your hosts, Ruby and Susan, two alcohol freedom coaches keeping it real with stories, tools, and zero judgment. Whether you're sober, curious, or all in, you're in the right place. Let's feel lit, alcohol free. Welcome back to the Sober and Lit Podcast. Hi, Coach Ruby, Coach Susan, we're here. Yeah, I get this question from my clients all the time and thought I would bring it here to the podcast to answer it. So the question is: I've waited to quit drinking for years and years, but I never seem to stay motivated. I keep waiting for the day when I finally feel ready, but it just never comes. So how can I actually get motivated enough to change? Such a good question, right, Susan? Yeah, yeah. I mean, do you hear that? Uh I hear from clients like, I'll quit when I feel ready, or I'll start after vacation, or on Monday, or I'll wait until work calms down. Or I just need more motivation. Yeah. What do you hear?

SPEAKER_01 1:42

I hear from clients that they want to want to. They want to want to, but they don't want to at the same time. But that's the perfect place to start right there. You know, there is no, it's just like having a baby. There's no good time. You you're you can't wait till you're ready because the readiness comes from the doing. You you just have to take the leap, you know, you have to take that first step that we're never ready for change. What are your thoughts about that?

SPEAKER_00 2:10

Well, I feel like it just it never arrives. I mean, I talk a lot about like I'll stop tomorrow, tomorrow. That was what the story was in my head. And and I guess I did, I was waiting for my future self, my future Ruby, the tomorrow Ruby, to somehow figure it out. But how was I gonna be figuring it out? Like, or waiting for a magic wand, right, to come down and plop on my head and say, it's happening now. But then, like those excuses that I was just uh reading earlier, yeah, after vacation, or wait, there's a, you know, there's a wedding happening next month. I can't stop now, or I can't try. It's even the word try. So we're I have three really interesting ways to think about this and how you can kind of get the fire lit under you. So listen in, keep listening. There's three important things I want to share with you today. Yeah. So instead of like waiting for lightning to strike, waiting for, you know, this motivation to like just magically appear, we're gonna talk about some things you can do. So yeah, do you wanna share your story around this? Did you wait for years and years like I did, like tomorrow, tomorrow?

SPEAKER_01 3:20

Yeah, tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow. Yeah, it's too stressful right now. I just knew because I'd done it before that it was hard or I thought it was hard. And so just didn't feel like I had the energy. I didn't know I didn't have the motivation. But actually, when I did decide to stop drinking, I didn't have that either. I was just so done. You know what I mean? Like I was just like, I can't do this anymore. So I have to change, I have to try something. But also I did get inspired that, you know, the the fear that was keeping me stuck was that there was something wrong with me, that I wasn't normal. And then when I had a mindset shift, wait a minute, the truth is there is nothing wrong with you, that alcohol is an addictive substance. That was a truth that I didn't really know and understand. I just thought if I have a problematic drinking, there's something wrong with me. And when that truth shifted things a little bit to where I was like, there is nothing wrong with me. So making this choice to explore my drinking didn't mean that there was something wrong with me. Like that's what that was the fear that was keeping me stuck. And so then I was willing to take a step in that direction, but it didn't mean I was super motivated or super ready. It's like the motivation comes with the doing, at least for me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:33

That's one of the things I'm gonna talk about here too. And I think also I was waiting, and I hear this from clients all the time, waiting for the we say rock bottom, but like like I guess something to get really bad. But I mean, why, why? And when I think back, like, why did I want things to get really bad? What? I had to have a, you know, an illness or a DUI. Like, what? No, you don't have to wait for that. Well, I have this really cool story that I wanted to share with with you, Susan, and the listeners. It's a this like bamboo story, and it's so fascinating, a bamboo tree. So the seed, the plant seed is is planted and you water it and you fertilize it, and they care for it every single day for a whole year and nothing happens. They keep caring for it for two years, nothing happens, three years, nothing, four, no visible growth. And most people would quit taking care of this seed, quit watering it, fertilizing it. And they assume that this seed like isn't working, that it isn't growing. But underground, there's an enormous root system that's forming. And sometime during the fifth year, something incredible happens. The bamboo can grow almost 30 feet in just a few weeks. So the question is, you know, did it grow in six weeks or five years? But I think when we when we look at like an alcohol-free journey, that we're we are things are changing. We are making roots, you know, uh this whole time. If you have like one alcohol-free day, you're you're changing. If you listen to podcasts, read books, like you're forming this kind of foundation, your root system every time you think about your drinking or you know, do any kind of anything, even just thinking about it, because everything is changing and you could be like this bamboo tree where all of a sudden things just happen for you. And it's it's really exciting uh story. I love this story so much. Isn't that the coolest?

SPEAKER_01 6:37

And yeah, I didn't know that about bamboo. That's really cool. I think that is very analogous to the alcohol-free journey, and people don't realize the progress that they are making. Or the, you know, there's a lot of messages out there that we've gotten from AA that if you drink, you know, that you have to be perfect. It has to be zero to make progress. And then if you do drink, you go back to to day one, that whole day one thing that really keeps people stuck. Because I believe, and you believe, I think, that you don't lose any days. If you have one alcohol-free day, you've learned something there. And and then if you do drink, you can learn something there too, that it's all progress as long as you're using it for learning. And when we shame, blame ourselves, then we go back into hiding. You know what I mean? And yeah, so yeah, just knowing that there is progress going on underground.

SPEAKER_00 7:32

So picture that, you know. So uh a lot of you listening probably have been listening to our podcast. Maybe for we've been doing this for over two years. We're almost on, you know. So maybe you're like there, you're look, you're listening, lurking, you're you're reading books, you're listening to podcasts, you're thinking about it, you know you need to change. But we're now gonna talk about how to get like fired up. Instead of like, we we talk a lot, Susan and I uh on this podcast about what do you do to feel lit alcohol free, which is a great way to look at lit, but also I want to look at it like how to get lit, fired up. Like, what are you gonna do to really start this, to take that first step forward, you know? And because here's the thing. I don't think just like you said, Susan, I don't think motivation creates action. I think action creates motivation, the doing. Yeah. So I have three ways, and there's way more to talk about, but we'll just talk about three right now today. So three ways to get fired up. So stop waiting for motivation and just make one decision, okay? Because a maybe keeps your brain negotiating with itself. So just making a decision, a clear decision, can free up some mental energy. Women think that a decision has to come from strength, discipline, willpower, rock bottom. But really, what if the decision could just be based on, you know, finally caring for yourself? I'm a huge I love like self-care and self-compassion. And instead of like punishing yourself into change, how about loving yourself into change? Yeah, yeah. So things like I deserve better, I deserve peace, I deserve to wake up feeling proud.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

Yeah, I think that's where my yeah, that's really where I don't know that it came from a place of self-love, because I guess a teeny tiny place of self-love, because I had to really work on self-love and self-compassion. But that morning I woke up and said, Who cares? I'm hungover again. Who cares? I guess this is just how I'm gonna live. And then there's this tiny spark of like, wait a minute, I care. You get one life, this is your one life. I don't want to live it like this, hating myself every morning or four mornings a week. And so that was the tiny spark that was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Teeny, tiny spark of that was from a place of self-love, you know, even though it was love, yeah, hard for me to. I needed to continue to develop that, you know, yeah, in my journey.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

Yeah, and you are so worth it. Like, I don't, I think for a long time, maybe I my self-worth was was in the toilet, but that even just a little bit like self, like you, you are here on this planet. You are here and you deserve it, you're worth it. So, my first really important message to you listeners is your next decision doesn't have to come from self-criticism and beating yourself up. It can come from self-love. And just like Susan said, it's a tiny spark. It can it can be the you know, the instigator to light, lit. Yeah. So then the second thing I wanted to talk about, and again, we're talking about uh three ways to get fired up. Number two is you can borrow hope. You don't have to believe it's uh it's forever. It's like you don't even have to believe it's possible forever, you just believe that that it might be possible, and you can get inspiration like from me, from Coach Susan, from other podcasts and people, but borrow someone else's hope until yours grows. Again, you can read books, listen to stories, join communities, because hope is contagious, contagious. I can't say that word, but one of the one of the greatest privileges, honestly, like I am honored to be a coach and I get to hold the hope of my clients until they can find it for themselves. And you don't have to carry that hope all by yourself. Yeah. So my second message to all the listeners here is until your hope grows stronger, I will gladly hold it for you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

Yeah. Yeah. And that's what really creating a safe space, or we call it a container, the coaching container is about. Is and in that space, we as the coaches believe that you are whole and complete and worthy already. Already. You know, and you don't have to do anything. You come into the coaching space, you just being you are worthy of love, are worthy of whatever change that you're looking for. And yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

And just it's it's such a beautiful space when when when I work with clients because this, this, they find each client finds that self-love, that self-compassion. It's it's a muscle that you can build and it's just so gentle. And uh, yeah, it's a gentle place. Well, the third thing I wanted to share is replace the that pressure of, you know, that willpower with curiosity. We talk about curiosity almost in every single episode of this podcast. So it's it's a huge, one of our pillars of how change is is hap happening is curiosity. So instead of asking the question, like maybe you're saying, like, can I really quit forever? Or, you know, what if you just ask, what if I gave myself 30 days or even one day, right? So curiosity is so much lighter. We want to make, you know, when I work with clients, it's like it's it's a lighter experience. There are some heavy moments where we share really deep things, but it also can be lighter and curious and wonder, I wonder why. Like, here's some examples. Like, I wonder what tonight would feel like without wine. That's it. You just I wonder, you know, I used to think I would sleep better. Or I sleep, sleep better with wine. Actually, I sleep better alcohol-free. Or I wonder who I could become, you know. I am I I I kept worrying, am I living up to my full potential? That was like that question that kept going in my mind. So I wonder who I could become. I wonder. You know, curiosity opens the door and pressure just slams it shut. Yeah. What do you think about curiosity, Susan?

SPEAKER_01 14:01

Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. And yeah, curiosity, kindness, taking small steps. So just saying one night, you know, what would one night feel like, you know, not drinking? And if like Tuesday's easy for you, then do it on Friday. You know, do it on, you know, start to challenge yourself. Maybe do it on Tuesday the first time and go, okay, this is how it feels. And now I'm gonna try it on Friday, and now I'm gonna try it here. Curiosity and experimentation and just seeing what it's like without the pressure of forever, without the pressure of perfection. It's really hard for perfectionists, though. They're like, what do you mean? Like experiment. Yeah, you know, like that idea of yeah, I have to pick a date.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

Yeah, I hear this a lot from clients. Like, I have to pick a date and then I'm gonna be forever alcohol free. And that's not the way when you work with me and you work with Susan, both of us, we have the same methodology where it's about data points and uh experimentation and getting curious. So, yes, uh, yeah. So, my third important message for you listening is that curiosity is kinder than criticism and far more powerful. Curiosity is kinder. So, again, it's that I wonder. So put put before, you know, the I wonder, just right before something and and see. Well, I'm gonna share a really powerful client story with you. I'll just call her Jennifer because Jennifer used to feel completely exhausted. I mean, maybe you can relate to that if you're listening. I mean, she was just stuck in that daily cycle of drinking guilt, promising herself, tomorrow will be different, tomorrow I'll stop, and then doing it again. And I just I completely relate to Jennifer, maybe you do too. And what Jennifer really wanted was f like freedom. You know, freedom so that she could finally feel like peaceful, like confident, proud of herself. And she kept using willpower for years and years. Like for me, it was seven to ten years. I had to, you know, and she did the same with rules, taking some breaks, promising herself, oh, I'll just drink on the weekends. But none of it lasted. And then she realized that using that discipline, the rules, that approach didn't work. So she started to get curious and doing some of these things and working, you know, joined me as a with a coaching program, and she stopped fighting herself and started to understand herself. Today Jennifer has the freedom that she never thought she had. Alcohol's just no longer running the show. She's six months alcohol free. And this is what she told me yesterday about how she described. She feels calm, clear, energized, so much more like herself again. You know, uh she shared that she is no longer has that foggy thinking. I don't know. That's to me, foggy really resonates, like that every day, that foggy feeling. She said that her sleep is quality sleep and her energy is dramatically better. In six months, she lost 35 pounds. I mean, that's not, I'm not gonna say that happens to everyone, but like that's amazing. We were just like, I was giving her all these pom-poms. And and her marriage, this is another important point. Her marriage just feels more connected, better communication and intimacy with her with her par with her husband. She thought she was so worried. I remember she was saying this yesterday that she was so worried that that something horrible would change in her marriage when she went alcohol free. It changed, but in a better way. Yeah. Yeah. So really cool.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

Yeah. Mine too. Mine too. Absolutely. Yeah, you're just more present. And like my husband says, I got my sparkle back. So now he's my biggest fan. In the beginning, not so much. In the beginning, he was like, okay, what? Well, this is weird. But then I just started, I did keeping the ritual, but ditching the alcohol. So it wasn't like we were still connecting. We just didn't, I didn't have alcohol in my glass. And then he would also sometimes share mocktails with me. And yeah, yeah, that's so good. That's so good. I know. I was so proud of her. It's like, yay, Jenny. Well, and that self-criticism, I love what you said about self-criticism or curiosity over criticism. Because if beating ourselves up and self-criticism worked, it would have worked a long time ago. Most of us have been doing that for years, and it doesn't work. Never work. Nobody gets, I mean, people don't get that. They're like, no, if I can just be mad at matter at myself, I'll, you know, I'm sure I'll be able to, you know, get that gumption. And it's because sometimes that inner critic has motivated us in our life, especially as high-achieving women, which is usually who we work with, right? That inner workhorse, that inner critic has sparked us to like get certain things done or study more, work harder at our job. But it does not work for alcohol. It just doesn't pressure, it keeps you in the drinking cycle. Because exactly drinking brings relief from that pressure. And that's what was some one of the reasons why we're drinking is to get relief from all the self-criticism we've been heaping on ourselves. So mean to ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

And I want to, I want to open the door for curiosity, compassion, self-love. Like all this is how lasting change happens. When you love yourself so much, you are going to actually not put poison. I call alcohol's poison, you guys. Let's let's call a spade a spade. And uh that you won't want to put poison into your body anymore. So uh I do want to quickly share that that we get objections, like the three biggest objections and why you know people keep staying stuck and women stay stuck and maybe don't reach out for a coach is they think it costs too much. Yeah. And I want I I would just say, like, compared to what? You know, compared to another year of buying alcohol, poor sleep, another year of poor sleep, anxiety, missed opportunities. You know, sometimes the most expensive decision is doing nothing. So again, talk about how much, what is it costing you and your health, in your you know, brain space, and in that shame spiral, you know? So think about the cost. That's probably the number one, right? That we get. Oh, it's gonna cost too much, you know.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

Yeah, yeah. But think about the things, other things that you pay for. Like I have a a new client who is a personal trainer. And when I told her the pricing when we were talking, she goes, Oh, that's like what I charge. So we would pay that for someone for personal training to train our body, right? To achieve the goals that we're looking for, maybe with our nutrition and our weight and our exercise goals. And this is the same thing tour around this, but and then also around this behavior change that we're looking for that's gonna, it's you know, the amount of money we're probably spending on alcohol, if you achieve the freedom, is going to exponentially give you more money, more and more money in the future. And the results, the freedom is priceless. Like I was gonna say the same thing. Priceless, you guys. Priceless.

SPEAKER_00 21:15

Because I've had clients that said that they would even pay 10 times that amount. It's that dramatic, you guys. How good. That dramatic of how good you feel. I can't describe it so much. The other one you put a price tag on freedom. Yeah, your brain, your your that you don't wake up every morning going, oh my gosh, you know, did I just harm my body? It's just amazing. That freedom. The freedom is is it's hard to explain. It's it's it's so dramatic. It's almost like a spiritual awakening. I know that sounds weird, but it feels like it to me. It was so I am such a different person in my heart, in my soul, who I am. And it's priceless. I love that you said that, Susan. Okay. The second. Objection we hear is I've failed before. And I want to say as a coach, good, you failed before. Guess what? That's data. Maybe think of the bamboo tree, right? So you've you failed. But the truth is there is no failure if you keep trying. But that you aren't there yet, it isn't proof that you can't do it. It's just information. And as a coach, I just we work on that information. What happened? So failure in the past or what you tried in the past is not what's going to happen in the future. So right. Yeah. And then the third thing that we hear a lot is I don't have time. I'd say that these are the top three. Money, time, and that you failed before. And the truth is you don't, I mean, you're gonna actually save so much more time. Like, okay, think about this. I love to like kind of do this. If you drink every night, let's say, like I did. And so I'd start say after work and until I fell asleep, I was missing 25% of my life. Yeah. I was not present in my life then. I wasn't doing anything that was truly lighting me up. I was watching TV or just, you know, not doing things that would that would really fill my f full potential or make me feel like I I am living in my passion and mission, you know. So I think when you go alcohol-free, you have so much more time. You will get 25% more of your time in your evenings. And not only that, there was time preparing, like buying your alcohol, thinking about your alcohol, the time the next day, recovering from there's just so much more time and energy. It's astronomical. Just like crazy. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh. I was thinking of that the other night because my husband has been traveling, he's been away, and I'm I've been alone a lot. I've been at home, and it was like 9:30, and I'm unloading the dishwasher and just tooling around. And I was thinking, I'm so present. I've gotten so much done this evening. I also enjoyed watching a show, and then now I'm unloading the dishwasher, and then I'm gonna go do a little nighttime yoga before I go to bed. And I was just like, but I'm so present, and it just occurred to me that, like in the past, you know, six years ago or over six years ago, I probably would have drank and then the whole evening would have just been a blur and would have just gone by, and I probably would have left a lot of this stuff undone. Not that that's a big deal and leave it undone, but just being present in your own life, it's huge. Yeah, it's huge.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

It's huge.

SPEAKER_01 24:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:35

I would say that I love that the bedtime routine because I would drink until I passed out, you know, on the couch, watching TV. And then, but now it's yeah, just like kind of like what you described. But I I love just like making sure I took off, you know, wash off my makeup, put on my face cream, make sure I have all of my, you know, different supplements or medications in the evening. I get to put my head on the pillow. It's it's just a whole different experience. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. Well, we're we're getting close to wrapping up this episode. I hope you've really enjoyed it. But what I'm gonna do is there's some other resources, you know. Again, we have two, two plus three years almost of episodes. Episode 34 is a really good one. You know, six reasons why coaching changes everything. It's a really, really good one. You might wanna, and then episode 50 is like taking that leap. Like this is what we're here to talk about. Like, do you know how to get fired up to get lit? To to to to take this journey, to do this journey. Yeah. So uh Susan, we are at the you know, our listeners' favorite part of the show. What do you do in your life to feel it alcohol free?

SPEAKER_01 25:49

Oh my goodness. Okay, so I have been working on boundaries. I've been doing a course or a seminar on it, and it was really interesting revelation about different boundaries and and how to look at boundaries, even in my own life and my own practices of instead of like looking at oh, going to bed at 10 or 9:30 or whatever, oh, going to bed early. Like we hear all these longevity things, going to bed early, you should do this, you should do that. These things are good for you. But even looking at a boundary as that third cup of coffee, like a boundary is I only have two cups of coffee because that third one tips me over into anxiety versus I shouldn't have another cup of coffee. You know what I mean? Like seeing it as a boundary because of the boundary allows me to be my best self. So the boundary of going to bed earlier helps me sleep better. So then I wake up more refreshed. And so seeing it as a boundary rather than a should, and a boundary that helps me be my best self, if that makes sense. I love that. Yeah. So this is still early days. I've just been working, you know, I've been taking this seminar and hoping to bring this also into my work as a coach around better boundaries with relationships, better boundaries. Because a lot of times when we're drinking, we because we're numbed out, we we violate our own boundaries. We allowed others to to violate our boundaries. So part of our alcohol freedom journey is learning how to create those boundaries for ourselves. Yeah. Healthy boundaries, healthy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

That's a good, yeah. I mean, I would while you were talking, I was thinking, you know, like I have some work boundaries. For example, I will just shut down and go to yoga, right? Like, because it's I feel better in my body when I do yoga many days. I'm not doing it every day anymore, but as many days as I can. Yeah. So that's yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, that'll be really powerful.

SPEAKER_01 27:48

I can sometimes, you know, just decide to work longer, just be and then that tips over into then I eat later, and then that tapes over into then I go to bed later. It's like you violate one boundary and then it just is the domino of spirals. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's again, progress, not perfection. And sometimes, you know, it's still choices. Boundaries are fluid, and sometimes you do need to have a little looser boundary around a certain area. You make the choice to loosen up this one. It's not, it's not hard or fast either. Sometimes we have too strict a boundaries. Like we think of boundaries only as we need boundaries, but sometimes we have boundaries that are that are too firm. And that's both of them are a form of protection, you know, or a form of sometimes, you know, the the nut that we can get down to is it's really about our self-worth. You know, like sometimes we're loose with boundaries because we are afraid people won't like us, or we're afraid we'll, you know, they won't we'll miss out on love, or we're too firm with a boundary because we can like flip, flip. So if we say yes too much, then we all of a sudden our yeses like overflow and we're like too, you know, we have too much going on in our life, and then we flip over to everything's a no. So we go to these extremes instead of finding that aligned place in the middle where there's boundaries that are where we're both healthy.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

Yeah, we're we're healthy to say no and healthy and and decide when we want to say yes. Exactly, that no and yes. So, what I hear you saying is that you feel lit when you have these boundaries in place. It makes you feel better. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

Aligned boundaries. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 29:30

Awesome. Well, well, if if today's episode lit a fire in you, you know, got you fired up to reach out, you know, and if you're tired tired of trying to figure this out all on your own, I would love to invite you to book a free Clarity Call. So yeah, we'll just talk about where you are, where you want to be, and whether coaching would be the next right step for you. So I'll put the link in the show notes. And yeah, please go ahead and book a discovery call. I created a link, you know, coachingwithruby.com slash chat. Coaching with Ruby.com slash chat. That's if you're driving, you want to remember that. But yeah. Thank you so much for listening. This has been such a fun conversation with you, Susan. And I loved it. So yeah, thank you for listening. And just remember, do something today to feel lit. Thanks so much for listening to the Sober and Lit podcast. If you enjoyed this episode, we would love it if you would subscribe, rate, and review. It really helps get the word out. And remember, do something today to help you feel lit. See you next week.